Why does bardock hate goku

Dragon Ball has devoted a lot of time to just how evil of a tyrant Frieza is during his prime, especially when it comes to his manipulation of the Saiyans.

Most Saiyans back on Planet Vegeta were driven by a desire for conflict and battle. However, Bardock does form a family out of compassion rather than purely reproductive purposes.

Bardock would be thrilled to learn that Goku is not only still alive but also a father of two children, one of which has had a child of their own. Dragon Ball has gotten quite creative with not only its approaches to training but also how to take advantage of an incredibly condensed period of time. Training is never in short supply in Dragon Ball, but characters have learned how to maximize their time through environments like the Hyperbolic Time Chamber , which slows down the clock to their advantage.

The nature of Raditz's relationship with his parents is unknown, though it is implied that he did grow up around them for a time as he recognized his brother due to his resemblance to their father. It is known that Gine loved both her children and was proud that Raditz was assigned to invade a planet with Prince Vegeta in Dragon Ball Minus. However, it is implied that his relationship with his father Bardock is strained, though he apparently does respect him. Various video games that show them interacting together support this as Bardock tends to be cold towards Raditz, though this may be due to him being aware of his actions during the Raditz Saga thanks to his ability to see the future from the TV special.

In Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 , if the warrior is training under Bardock, then Raditz will be surprised that they are training under him and even reveals that his father never taught him anything before asking why his father would train them over his own son.

During a special instructor event, Raditz and his father end up having a reunion inside Orange Star High School. Raditz is surprised his father is alive and asks how he became an instructor, though Bardock asks him if he ever shuts up and states he doesn't know where he gets it from, before noting he seems to have grown a bit and asks Raditz if he wants to see how he'd fair against his father.

Raditz notes to the Future Warrior afterward at how annoyed he is that his father never even let him know he was alive and states that his father's thinking reeks of Saiyan.

Bardock himself notes to the Future Warrior that Raditz is just a low-class warrior and that he doesn't have much of a power level either, though he admits he respects Raditz's stubbornness and states that he never thought he'd see him again.

In the dream, Bardock admonishes Raditz for his weakness and lack of Saiyan grit before challenging him to a battle. After the fight, Bardock tells Raditz that he can get stronger. After waking up from his dream, Raditz admits he dislikes training this matches Nappa's statement in Xenoverse 2 when he says Raditz skipped out on tail training , though inspired by his father's words decides to train against several Saibamen and a Kyukonman.

After his training, he challenges Vegeta and Nappa who are impressed that he was able to hold his own against them before Vegeta sends Raditz to Earth to recruit his brother. Like Nappa, Raditz is shown to fear Vegeta, especially when he threatens to kill him if he continues to be a hindrance to their missions, as he notes that they would have conquered the planet they are on sooner if he wasn't a weakling and Nappa insults Raditz by referring to him by his unofficial nickname " Raditz the Runt " which he hates.

Raditz remembers his brother as a result of Vegeta's threats and Vegeta allows him to go to Earth to retrieve him, which Raditz hopes will put him in better standing with his comrades as another Saiyan will bolster their forces.

However, as his ship approaches Earth, he wonders what his brother has been doing, as he hadn't heard anything that suggested the planet had been conquered and, upon arrival, discovers that the Earthlings haven't been exterminated. He is also shown to be aware of Namekians like Nappa as he notes to himself that Piccolo is one upon encountering him and wonders what a Namekian would be doing on Earth, though, unlike Nappa, he keeps this knowledge to himself.

When Raditz is revived in Age ironically by his killer Piccolo , he, despite Vegeta's threats to kill him for being weak, truly believed his comrade Vegeta would revive him as he assumed that was the case before Piccolo reveals he revived him.

Piccolo is quick to point out that Vegeta isn't the type to revive someone who lost so easily. Raditz, however, makes the excuse that he was caught off guard for a second.

Piccolo offers him a chance to prove it by fighting him, basically giving Raditz a chance to avenge his death. However, he is no match for the Super Namekian , who had fused with Nail and had recently survived the epic battles against Frieza on Namek. Piccolo notes that the difference between Raditz and Goku is that Goku doesn't complain when he loses as losing only spurs him to grow stronger.

However, Raditz, like Vegeta, holds on to his pride as a Saiyan warrior and swears that with training he can grow stronger than the Dragon Team he is unaware that his brother has recently become a Super Saiyan. Intrigued, Piccolo suggests that he train with them, which Raditz accepts though it is a temporary truce as Raditz plans to surpass them and hasn't truly given up on his evil ways.

This shows that Raditz, like Vegeta at the time, is willing to ally himself with his former enemies in hopes of one day surpassing them. Raditz was born to Bardock and Gine sometime before Age Raditz was born with a power level high enough to become an upper-level warrior and was assigned to the same group as Nappa.

Later, Vegeta was added to the group too. Raditz is on an extraterrestrial planet with Prince Vegeta , Nappa, and two other unknown Saiyans as part of an invasion force. Raditz and Vegeta hear the message from Frieza through their scouters that he needs the Saiyans to return to Planet Vegeta. Raditz questions if they're returning to the planet but Vegeta wants them to pretend as if though they didn't hear it.

A month later, Frieza destroys Planet Vegeta, killing most of the Saiyans while Vegeta's platoon including Raditz is still away. Before his parents died in the destruction of Planet Vegeta, Raditz is told by them about what had happened to his brother, Kakarot. Because Prince Vegeta chose to ignore this order, this saved himself, Raditz, Nappa, and the two other Saiyans from being among the Saiyans killed in Planet Vegeta's destruction. In an anime-only flashback in the Frieza Saga, sometime after the genocide of the Saiyans , Raditz, along with Nappa and Vegeta , return from their conquest on Planet Shikk.

However, they are met with insult rather than congratulations by Dodoria, Zarbon, and Frieza. While Raditz is visibly hurt and angered at this, Nappa loses control and tries to attack Frieza, Zarbon, and Dodoria, but Vegeta orders his comrade to stand down, knowing that he would not stand a chance against them. Main articles: Raditz Saga and Vegeta Saga. At the start of Dragon Ball Z , Raditz arrives on Earth in a space pod , in search of a man named "Kakarot," later revealed to be Goku.

After he incapacitates a farmer who found his space pod, Raditz detects a power reading on his scouter and assumes it is Goku. He tracks down the source of the energy and comes face to face with Piccolo , Goku's mortal enemy at the time. Raditz asks Piccolo where he can find "Kakarot", but Piccolo refuses to tell him, warning him to leave Earth at once. Raditz laughs at Piccolo, who fires a powerful attack at Raditz, leaving him unscathed, which shocks Piccolo.

Just as Raditz prepares to destroy Piccolo, he detects another power level , and this time he knows that it is Kakarot, the one he is looking for. Raditz tracks the power level down to the Kame House , where Goku was introducing his son Gohan to Bulma , Krillin , Master Roshi , and Turtle , while also enjoying a reunion. Raditz identifies Goku as Kakarot, and informs Goku that he is his big brother, who arrived on Earth to find him.

When Goku asks where Raditz came from, Raditz tells Goku that they are both Saiyan warriors, and tells him the history of the Saiyan race and their entrepreneurial ways of conquering planets and selling them for profit. Goku and Krillin express their disgust at Raditz and tell him to leave. Krillin proposes to escort him off the island, which results in him being smacked in the face by Raditz's tail, thus revealing his tail, one just like Goku used to have and which Gohan has.

When it becomes clear to Raditz that Goku is not coming with him, Raditz sends Goku plummeting to the ground with a powerful knee strike to the stomach and kidnaps Gohan who still has a Saiyan tail , holding him for ransom.

He informs Goku that if he ever wants to see Gohan again, he should eliminate one hundred people from Earth and bring them all to him by the next day. Laughing, Raditz flies off with Gohan in his hands.

Later, he shuts the crying Gohan in his space pod, unable to stand his crying. Raditz is surprised to find that his scouter reported a power level of for Gohan, which Raditz dismissed as a malfunction because it would mean that the child was even stronger than his father.

Shortly afterwards, Raditz sees Goku and Piccolo who have joined forces to beat him, and since his scouter accurately warned him of their approach, he came to the realization that Gohan may actually be as strong as his reading said. Seeing that Goku has not only refused to join him, but also brought Piccolo as a reinforcement, Raditz declares his younger brother a shame to their race and sentences him to death.

A battle commences, and Raditz soon proves he is far stronger than both Goku and Piccolo combined and easily overwhelms them.

Raditz even manages to blast off Piccolo's left arm. The tables turn when Piccolo reveals he created a special attack that may be able to kill Raditz, the Special Beam Cannon.

However, the attack needs several minutes to charge up, meaning Goku has to fight Raditz alone for five minutes. As Piccolo prepares the attack, Goku and Raditz battle it out, yet Raditz easily takes the lead.

Goku, however, leaps into the air and launches a Kamehameha. Raditz is startled that he is able to increase his power into one spot, and is even more shocked to find Piccolo's rising as well. Before he can think, Goku launches his attack. Raditz tries to run from it, but cannot. He is, however, able to nullify it with his hands. Raditz then launches a more powerful attack back at Goku, badly wounding him and knocking him out of the sky.

He tries to make the kill, but soon sees Piccolo's attack ready. To his dismay, the attack is too powerful for him to block, and he is shocked that Piccolo could summon that much power. Piccolo launches the attack, but Raditz is fast enough to dodge it, yet it does pierce through one of his shoulder pads, also injuring his shoulder.

He almost kills Piccolo, but is stopped by Goku, who grabs Raditz's tail, causing immense pain. As Piccolo prepares the attack, Raditz begs for mercy from Goku with brotherly words "I would never harm my own flesh and blood! Piccolo tries to warn Goku it is a trick, but the Saiyan's mercy gets the better of him. Goku lets go of Raditz's tail, and Raditz takes advantage by throwing his brother to the ground, stomping on his chest multiple times, crushing his ribs.

Goku calls the trick dirty and Raditz in turn says that he is a first-class warrior, and never hesitates to kill anyone, even his own brother.

He also edges Piccolo for his attack, but Piccolo says it is useless. While Goku cries out in pain with Piccolo helplessly watching, a power suddenly erupts and Raditz's spacepod explodes. Just as Raditz prepares to kill Goku, an enraged Gohan emerges and flies straight into Raditz's chest , seriously injuring him.

Incensed and in awe of the small child, Raditz whacks Gohan across the field and limps over to him, preparing to kill him in fear of his power, which he complimented as he approaches. Raditz, fully aware that the beam will be enough to finish the both of them, implores Goku not to sacrifice himself for "these Earth dogs" and let him go, but Goku refuses.

Piccolo fires the Special Beam Cannon and hits both Raditz and Goku square in the chest, mortally wounding them both. As he lays dying, spitting blood and suffering on the ground, Raditz genuinely acknowledges Goku's death as well as his own , but Piccolo tells him about the Dragon Balls , that will revive Goku shortly after the wish is made.

Raditz, however, retorts that his scouter is also a transmitter, and his two Saiyan comrades have heard everything and will come for the Dragon Balls to wish him back. Laughing his head off, Raditz is finished off by Piccolo, and dies shortly before Goku does so.

Using his scouter to transmit Piccolo's message, Raditz calls for help from his two fellow Saiyans, Nappa and Vegeta, who eventually journey to Earth to gather the Dragon Balls, not to revive Raditz as Raditz believed , but for immortality. After Goku dies, Bulma and Krillin remove Raditz's scouter from his corpse. Bulma modifies the scouter so it can display numbers rather than the alien symbols that are used by Frieza's forces. The scouter later explodes when the revived Goku powers up during his fight with Vegeta.

Main article: "Future" Trunks Saga When Goku and Krillin were sent into a forest to retrieve a special herb for Master Roshi, an illusion of Raditz and many other villains from the Z-Fighters' past show up to challenge the duo. Main article: Granolah the Survivor Saga. During the flashback regarding Bardock and his actions during the Cerealian genocide, a young Raditz is briefly shown fascinated by some beetles.

Additionally when Bardock learns from Gine about Kakarot's birth, she asks him if he thinks Raditz will be jealous that he has a little brother. Main article: Super 17 Saga. Raditz can be seen in a cameo appearance in the news broadcast when he is escaping from Hell flying alongside Cooler , Android 19 , and others thanks to Dr.

Gero and Dr. Myuu opening a portal in the sky allowing all the past villains to escape from Hell. However, he was most likely defeated once more by the Dragon Team and sent back to Hell along with all the other past villains. As they were discussing their partial ability to remember everything that they did while they were in their Great Ape forms, Fasha said that Bardock claimed to remember everything.

Main article: Dragon Ball Super: Broly. While on a mission with Vegeta, Nappa, and two other Saiyans, Raditz received a message by Frieza to return to Planet Vegeta but they all chose to ignore it. They then received a message that their homeworld was destroyed by a meteorite.

When asked about his brother, Raditz said he must have still been in his nursing capsule back at home and didn't care about him dying as he was just a lower-class warrior. However, he was told by his mother where he was sent to before Planet Vegeta exploded.

Raditz also makes a cameo appearance when Goku mentions how a lot has happened to the Earth to Broly which shows Raditz being killed along with Goku while under Goku and Piccolo's Full-Nelson Special Beam Cannon in his first fight against them during the Raditz Saga.

Main article: Dragon Ball SD. Main article: Emperor Pilaf Saga. Raditz briefly appears with Nappa and Vegeta in chapter 5 of Dragon Ball SD , which takes place at the start of the Emperor Pilaf Saga ; he is in the background while the two other Saiyans talk. Main article: Fortuneteller Baba Saga. In a special Dragon Ball SD chapter, it is revealed that while they were young, teen Vegeta and Raditz made a trip with a shared space pod to Earth to help Raditz train overcoming his tail weakness, where they've met Goku who was training in the woods after the Fortuneteller Baba Saga with his tail still growing back , unaware that he's a Saiyan too and Raditz's younger brother.

They thought he was a native Earthling due to his shorter tail and help him train to overcome this tail weakness as well alongside his elder brother. ChadtheGoat said:.

I hate humanized saiyans like Gine, it sucks. What wasn't one note about the Saiyans in minus? Some of them are nice and Bardock and Gine are special nice because Gine changed him or some shit. That isn't adding depth that's just flat out retcon considering we were given no reason to think Saiyans cared that much about their own race. Db minus is a kids version of the original. Hazard said:. Bardock: Father of Goku was not dark.

History of Trunks is the darkest the franchise became until the Future Trunks arc of Super. It was edgy but that's about it.

Like I said, the Saiyans were a product of the time from the 's and were one-note characters, lacking any depth besides 'hey they look cool' and filled the 'Planet of Hats' trope at the time.

With Minus and Broly , we got to see Saiyans weren't one-note baddies. They were punch clock villains as shown by Bardock and there was an actual culture with many different roles and jobs that the Saiyans had besides being warriors. They actually felt like a living, breathing race before Freeza obliterated them. It was about bardock last moments.

No, it was to explain how Bardock got into space in the flashback that Freeza had in the manga. Look, I love it too, but in terms of storytelling or world building which the franchise NEEDS , it wasn't very good in that regard. What is the name of the movie? It was the story about Bardock, which was prime for worldbuilding before his death.

The Pirate Prime minister. Juub Stone Hashira. Actually it was the contrary, the special came first, and Toriyama liked it so much he made that cameo in the manga. Superstars Well-Known Member. As I said above I get and agree with some of the dislike for it but saying it's the worst, really? So to wrap it up I would like to know more of your thoughts on this. Do you think SSJ Bardock is as bad as people say he is? I am the one who will defeat you!!

Freeza didn't care and just wiped him out with the Planet Vegeta. Freeza literally forgot about Bardock until he saw Goku on Namek. Episode of Bardock makes it so Bardock is the Legendary Super Saiyan that everyone is talking about up until Goku's transformation. The form looks cool, but it doesn't fit and just makes Bardock more than he shoukd.

Tanooki Kuribo wrote: If Toriyama joined Kanzenshuu, he'd probably forget his login name and password. It's fiction. The strength of the characters is not possible to reach in reality.

What people hate is how he achieves the transformation, and the fact that the new special tarnishes the developments of the original one. It was a piss poor story, as well as a terrible concept with equally bad execution. SSJ Bardock, however, is not a bad thing at all, especially if it appeared in a re-envisioning of his backstory instead of a sequel to the original special.

It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone. I've got nothing against the look. It's just the means and circumstances to which he achieved it that I feel make no sense at all. I'm pretty much rehashing what everyone else has said before, but Bardock was never really shown to be this gifted genius or incredible hard worker.

He was just an ordinary schlub who happened to be a Saiyan. So to have him become a SS was just kind of a dumb gimmick like most of the transformations from Dragon Ball Heroes. The more special Bardock is, the less spectacular it is for Goku to have become so great. Goku was born from nobodies and became a somebody. If his parents are uber awesome then it takes away from that.

Vegeta: I am a super elite, born from the top hierachy of saiyans. Goku: My father was the Legendary Super Saiyan of legend, which gives me even greater prestige. Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter! Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them well, people who care about them in a narrative don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions.

If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds.

It makes us emotionally invested. If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone.

It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever.